Podcast 24: How to Get 4M Monthly Visitors on Your Blog with Neil Patel

If you have a digital marketing agency, you will want to be sure to catch episode 24 of The Marketing Umbrella podcast when our CEO Itamar Shafir interviews Neil Patel, co-founder and CMO of Neil Patel Digital and a New York Times bestselling author.

• Wall Street Journal says Neil is a top influencer on the Web.
• Forbes says he is one of the top 10 marketers.
• Entrepreneur Magazine says he created one of the 100 most brilliant companies.
• He’s helped Amazon, Microsoft, Airbnb, Google, Thomson Reuters, Viacom, NBC, Intuit, Zappos, American Greetings, General Motors, Salesforce and many more companies grow through marketing.

Neil’s marketing blog generates over 4 million visitors per month. His Marketing School podcast generates over 1 million listens per month.

In this episode, Neil will reveal

• The simple steps to building a blog that gets the impressive traffic like Neil’s blog
• How a small marketing agency can create tangible growth for a client with a minimal budget Why Neil only works with companies that are a good fit
• Whether AI will replace people in this business in the future
• Real world examples of how Neil Patel has approached marketing with unique and creative solutions
• Why Neil created Ubersuggest, a tool that enables you to examine your clients’ competitors’ SEO strategies
• More!

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Episode 24 Transcript

Itamar Shafir:

Welcome to the Marketing Umbrella Podcast, where we talk with defensive marketing experts about ways to build and grow your digital marketing agency. Our guest today is a New York Time Best Seller author, the Wall Street Journal calls him a top-influencer on the Webfour, says he’s the one of top ten marketers ever. He was recognized as the top 100 entrepreneur under the age of 30 by President Obama and a top 100 entrepreneur under the age of 35 by the United Nations. He’s the founder of Crazy Egg, Hello Bar, KISSmetrics, and Neil Patel Digital. It’s kind of a hint to what he is. Uh, before founding Neil Patel, he, uh… I’m super excited to say hello to Neil Patel. Hi, Neil.

Neil Patel:

Hi, thanks for having me and, uh, yeah, appreciate you doing this.

Itamar Shafir:

(Laughs) um, so, you know, uh, you have an agency, you have built, uh, SAAS companies, you’ve been an entrepreneur since before you were 18. Maybe you can, uh, tell, tell us a little bit about your background, tell the audience a little bit about how you got started.

Neil Patel:

Yeah. So, I got started years and years ago, because I had a job board. And, uh, it was my first website, it didn’t do well, part of a marketing firm. They took my money, they didn’t provide much results. They tried. And, uh, eventually, I was broke, frustrated, learned it on my own, got decently well at it, and, uh, started doing it for other people. And that’s really how I got my start. Fast-forward, today, done a lot of businesses in between, books, and things like that, but my current company is, funny enough, a agency, NP Digital.

Itamar Shafir:

(Laughs)

Neil Patel:

So, uh-

Itamar Shafir:

Yeah, and, but, but it’s more than an agency. You’ve kinda became an online persona. I remember when you had Crazy, uh, uh, Crazy cheg, Crazy Egg, excuse me. Um, and, yeah, I’m not just saying it, I do remember, because, uh, I was building my startup, uh, I think around the same time. Uh, and you were, uh, you were posting information online. And over the years, you provided more and more content, and then you kinda blew up amazingly. And today, I understand you have, like, four-million visitors, uh, per month on your blog and, like, a million listeners on your podcast. And all of the people that are listening to us is more molec- marketing agencies, they’re probably asking, like, what’s, what’s the secret, Neil? Like, how, okay, we don’t need to get to four-million, but how do we get to-

Neil Patel:

Ye-

Itamar Shafir:

… 100,000?

Neil Patel:

… you wanna know what the co- the key is? It’s really simple, consistency and do it for a long time. That’s it. That’s really it. There’s nothing special about what I do when it comes to growing the traffic. I’ve just been consistent and I’ve been doing it longer. Most, there’s some people who have been doing it longer than me, but they’re not consistent. There are some people who, you know, um, are very consistent, but they give up after a year or two, or three, and it’s like, if you just do something consistent enough and long enough, you can do well.

Itamar Shafir:

And don’t you think your ability to articulate yourself, you know, in writing and your, you know, the fact that you’re doing this e- every day, and you’re an expert at it, that, that’s a must, right? Where it comes to-

Neil Patel:

Well-

Itamar Shafir:

… actually interesting-

Neil Patel:

… well, I was-

Itamar Shafir:

… content.

Neil Patel:

… I wasn’t an expert at it when I first started, you get better over time.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay, that’s, that’s encouraging. That’s-

Neil Patel:

Other than that-

Itamar Shafir:

… great.

Neil Patel:

… I’m a terrible writer and I have tons of grammar issues. I’m probably a good writer now, but, um, I still have a lot of grammar issues. And, you know, I didn’t go to Harvard, I didn’t go to Stanford. I’m able to write for the average person.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay, that’s nice. Wow. I, I, I bet a lot of the listeners right now are… so, consistency, that’s the key. Um, okay.

Neil Patel:

[crosstalk 00:03:44] and time. If you don’t, if you’re consistent, but not consistent long enough, you won’t do well.

Itamar Shafir:

How much do you think a person… how much content does a person need to create every week, and co- consistently over time, to start getting, to start reaping the fruits?

Neil Patel:

You need to create at least three pieces of content, I would say, and you need to do it for at least two to three years, if you wanna go after the agency space.

Itamar Shafir:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). Mm-hmm (affirmative). So, you now have, you, you have an agency, fri- for quite some time, but your SMB arm, that’s pretty new, right?

Neil Patel:

SMB arm is three years old, enterprise is four years old.

Itamar Shafir:

And when we’re talking about SMBs, you know, small-medium businesses, how small is small for you, for example?

Neil Patel:

Uh, we have companies paying us a few-thousand dollars a month.

Itamar Shafir:

Really?

Neil Patel:

Yeah.

Itamar Shafir:

Wow, so-

Neil Patel:

[crosstalk 00:04:43] companies that only do a few-million dollars a year in revenue, some only doing a million. Um, and we of course have companies who do, not billions in revenue, but actually billions and billions in profit a year. Hey, some of our large enterprise accounts, they’re just massive companies where, what’s funny is, is, like, you know, I was looking at one of the stock prices for one of the companies we work with, they do $12 billion a year. Not in revenue, but in profit (laughs).

Itamar Shafir:

Wow.

Neil Patel:

So, but s- some are really large and some are small, and quite a few are in between.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay, and you kinda expanded from… today, it’s, you’re doing everything, right, you’re doing Paymedia, you’re doing services, you’re doing consulting, you’re doing everything. Where it comes to the small, uh, SMB, that, let’s say, can afford $2,000 a month to start with before they are kinda seeing growth, and then recycling that budget. What, you know, how, how would you best suggest for them to start? Or maybe we can do a little bit of a business case, uh, and say, um, let’s say I’m a potential client, I have $2,000 a month, I’m a divorce attorney, and my site is okay, like, I have an okay CTA, I have a bunch of services on the site. That’s pretty much it, and I’m coming to you and I say, Neil, help me grow. What, what would be your first step?

Neil Patel:

Analyze the website, see what you’re doing, and figure out, uh, what your competition [inaudible 00:06:06] that’s working, and create a strategy and go from there. There’s no, like, cookie-cutter solution if you wanna provide results. It ends up being quite customized, ’cause every business is doing different things, there are different verticals, some are more competitive, some aren’t. And you just gotta analyze the business and figure out from there what they need to be doing.

Itamar Shafir:

But with a $2,000, uh, budget, would, would, wouldn’t you say that sometimes, it would go directly into one of the two, to pay the organic? How would you start?

Neil Patel:

Sure, but you still have to analyze the business, right. We believe that if it’s even, someone pays you $1,000 a month or $2,000, it doesn’t matter. You have to give them a customized approach, ’cause without the customized approach, it just doesn’t drive as great results.

Itamar Shafir:

Do you do any result-based services?

Neil Patel:

No.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay.

Neil Patel:

We [crosstalk 00:06:52]-

Itamar Shafir:

So-

Neil Patel:

… whether we get you tons of money or we don’t. And we’ve also learned the hard way, that when you do result-based services, ’cause we’ve tried. Um, when you do really, really well for someone and you make them a killing, they do not like paying based on results. They wanna switch back to normal.

Itamar Shafir:

Yeah.

Neil Patel:

And it backfires against you, and it’s just, it’s easier to just do fix.

Itamar Shafir:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). Mm-hmm (affirmative). So, you’re saying anybody can reach out, call, and they’ll get a customized, specific solution that’s just for them. That’s amazing. Um-

Neil Patel:

Maybe, and I, I, I, I, I, I don’t wanna lie, so that’s why I say maybe, because some businesses just aren’t a good fit for a company and we’ll tell them. Some are in industries we won’t take on, like someone’s a cigarette company and they want us to give them a customized pitch, we just won’t do it. If you’re an adult company, we won’t do it, right. And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with certain industries, it’s just, we do what we feel is best for our team, our, um, our company, and, you know, what we believe in. I know-

Itamar Shafir:

Yeah.

Neil Patel:

… others would disagree. Like, some may not mind taking on cigarette companies, we just don’t care to. Someone can be a cigarette company and offer us $100 million a year, just, I don’t care to take it on. I would love $100 million a year, don’t get me wrong. But ethically, I just wouldn’t take it on.

Itamar Shafir:

Yeah. No, I completely understand. Uh, okay, so let’s switch back to the agency side. When, a lot of people that, uh, listen to this podcast are either small or starting, and I think one of the biggest issues that they have is creating differentiation in the agency market, because when, you know, when you talk with small businesses, many time, it kinda sounds the same. Oh, I’ll get you on the first page of Google, I’ll get you more clicks, I’ll get you more la- leads, whatever it is. Or, even when you talk services, I’ll do your social, I’ll do your… they all, we all sound the same. What is-

Neil Patel:

Yeah.

Itamar Shafir:

… good for the small… yeah, but you’re different because you built-

Neil Patel:

[crosstalk 00:08:48] even-

Itamar Shafir:

… a brand.

Neil Patel:

… for me, uh, yeah, I get that, but I’m similar to a lot of the other larger agencies, too. But the, the big issue with small agencies that I’ve seen is they don’t customize, uh, their approach, that’s one. Two, they don’t verticalize. So, if you’re a small agency and you only do it for local businesses that are dentists, right, I’m getting very specific, and it’s like, yes, other people can do it, but we specialize in dentists. Look at all the dentists we work with, here are all the case studies. We know what we’re doing, hence we have all these dental clients, right. And you can use another agency, but they don’t know how your back office works, they don’t what an appointment is worth. Th- they’re gonna go through a lot of the mistakes that we already know.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay, so that’s, so, so you’re saying, if you’re small, try to verticalize, try to go niche. That’ll be your main differentiator, because you know that niche better than anybody else.

Neil Patel:

Correct.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay. That’s a, that’s a very good point. Uh, how soon… okay, but some would say, I’m gonna play the devil’s advocate for that for a second, because I heard both opinions many times, but some would say, okay, but when I’m doing my prospecting funnel, I’m limiting myself to dentists. If I expanded, then anybody who has an issue with their website, slash, marketing, can become my client. What would you say to that?

Neil Patel:

Sure, your closed rate’s gonna be crap at the beginning, it’s gonna be very expensive, and, uh, you’re better off creating a hit list of companies that you want and start going after them. And if you can’t get them through ads, you can always start dialing in cold calling, and I know that may sound crazy, but it still works.

Itamar Shafir:

Yeah. No, I, I, 100%. Um, 100%. So, okay, so you’re still very firm about niche-ing. And, guys, you know, listen to that. Uh, did you start, when you started your agency, did you start as a niche agency? Or were you already big enough to go wide?

Neil Patel:

Uh, we didn’t start as a niche (laughs). Uh, but I, keep in mind, it’s a little bit biased, ’cause I already had a brand name in this-

Itamar Shafir:

Right.

Neil Patel:

… space personally, not corporate. Um, so I had the luxury of doing, going broad. Um, but I have to say, when we first started off [inaudible 00:11:02] enough, because I have a lot of background in the B to B software world. A lot of our clients at the beginning were B to B software, so even though we didn’t verticalize, we tended to get a lot of those companies anyways.

Itamar Shafir:

Yeah. So, if we’re already talking about B to B software, let’s talk a little bit about Uber Suggest, right. Um, I love the fact that you launched it. Um, there are several companies on the market that were doing it at the same time. It, but it was very fitting for you, I think, uh, to do it. Why did you decide, okay, I’m gonna do it now? What’s the hole in the market that you saw?

Neil Patel:

All the tools were really complicated to use, and you’ll see within Q1 of next year, will uncomplicate it. So, what I mean by that is, all these SEO offers give you reports, who has time to go through 100 different reports? Can’t you just put a little JavaScript on your website and the software just fixes it all for you? Now, it’s not gonna be perfect and it’s not gonna fix everything, but if it can even do 60, 70, 80% of the stuff for you, it saves a small business tons of time and money, and that’s my goal.

Itamar Shafir:

No way, really?

Neil Patel:

Yeah.

Itamar Shafir:

Like-

Neil Patel:

It doesn’t [crosstalk 00:12:13] now, but that’s what we’re moving towards by the end of Q1.

Itamar Shafir:

Wow, that’s very close, by the end of Q1. That’s insane. That’s, that’s a huge announcement. So, is that gonna be agnostic to all platforms? Or are you s- still starting with WordPress and taking it from there?

Neil Patel:

We’re already beta testing WordPress right now. End of Q1, we’ll work on more platforms, is our-

Itamar Shafir:

Wow.

Neil Patel:

… goal, at least.

Itamar Shafir:

No, that’s, that’s an amazing goal. I, I think every (laughs) I, I think, I, I bet all small businesses want every software to work like that. Like you just said, uh-

Neil Patel:

Yeah. It’s not perfect, but, again, that’s what we’re trying to aim for and, eventually, we’ll try to perfect it as much as possible.

Itamar Shafir:

Yeah. Okay. Like you said-

Neil Patel:

It’ll [crosstalk 00:12:55]-

Itamar Shafir:

… if you do-

Neil Patel:

… there’s a lot, there’s a lot of small businesses who can’t even afford $100 a month, right. How do you help them? And I wanna help everyone, whether they have money or they don’t.

Itamar Shafir:

I agree. I agree. I think, uh, but, but I think, also, for those who can’t afford it, um, it, it just takes time and allows you to focus on other things, or allocate your budget into more content. Um, having t- having your tools do the work, most of the work for you is, uh, is, is something that I think everybody wants and needs.

Neil Patel:

Yeah.

Itamar Shafir:

So, uh, I read that before you got into online, you sold vacuums and cleaned toilets.

Neil Patel:

I did.

Itamar Shafir:

Is that true?

Neil Patel:

My first job was at a theme park, uh, you know, cleaning toilets and stuff like that. My second job was selling vacuums door-to-door. My third job was working at Party City, my fourth job was working at Hollywood Video. Uh, they no longer exist, so it was like a Blockbuster, which, funny enough, no longer exists as well.

Itamar Shafir:

So, how did you make the jump for something that is very offline-ish, very service-y, into completely digital?

Neil Patel:

Well, I was using those jobs to make me enough money to help support my online entrepreneurial journey, ’cause I didn’t have [crosstalk 00:14:17]-

Itamar Shafir:

Okay.

Neil Patel:

… tons of money, so just, you take jobs and you make money, and you use it to reinvest every dollar into online stuff.

Itamar Shafir:

And where does that, w- where does that come from? Is that, is that a passion you got from home from your parents? Was it, uh, how, how did you get to a point where, as, at a very young age, you were already thinking about online and working jobs to fund, basically, your startup? Uh, where does that come from?

Neil Patel:

I wanted to make more money, which isn’t the right reason to create a business, but that was the reason I started out. And-

Itamar Shafir:

Excellent.

Neil Patel:

… [crosstalk 00:14:54] computers. So, I know that’s not what people [inaudible 00:14:59] would say, but it’s, it’s the truth (laughs).

Itamar Shafir:

No, I love that answer and I appreciate it. I think a lot of people… look, there’s nothing wrong about it. Sometimes, you don’t have a lot of money, so you want more. Uh, it’s, I think it’s, it’s, it’s okay. Okay, cool. So, so you, we were talking about… and I know we’re short on time, so I won’t keep you much longer. Uh, but I wanna talk to you a little bit about the future, uh, because you deal with the future you just said, uh, Q1 next year, we’re gonna see something amazing from Uber Suggest. How do you see this, how do you see digital marketing services, services specifically, five, ten years from now? Do you think there’s gonna be a, a big shift into automation and AIs?

Neil Patel:

I do. I think what you’re gonna see in services, I think you’re gonna see it in less than five years, actually, is companies using software to be more efficient, so that way, you don’t need as many humans. Um, and that way, you can provide companies better results more efficiently and more affordably, and I think that really is what’s gonna happen. Um, I don’t think w- the market’s there yet, but there’s a lot of companies trying to do. We’re trying to do it in services, uh, Pilot Accounting is trying to do it in accounting, right. It’s because you look at all these companies, like the WPPs, the denses, the Omnicons, they’re really inefficient. They need too much headcount to get stuff done, their costs are too high, so they can’t service people for a reasonable [inaudible 00:16:27].

Neil Patel:

Sorry about that.

Itamar Shafir:

No worries.

Neil Patel:

Um, but, yes, when you look at the Omnicon, the publicist, I think there’s a better way to do it, and why can’t you use technology to be more efficient? Ideally, it’d be cheaper and provide clients better results, because using data and automation, and getting things done faster for them as well.

Itamar Shafir:

You think it will go all the way into the creative and planning? Or it will stop in the small tasks within five years?

Neil Patel:

Uh, no, I think eventually, it’ll get into the creative and the video and the images, and all that stuff. But I don’t think it’s fully there yet and that stuff is gonna be harder to do.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay. And it, do you already have a plan for it? Or are you not planning that far?

Neil Patel:

Not planning that far yet. Um, we’re mainly first starting to work on automating SEO, and then once we do that, uh, start getting to automating paid ads, email marketing, and a few other services.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay. That’s, so, and we’ll see some of that in next year, right? Q1, and then, and, and after that. Uh, so you’re saying Uber Suggest, or maybe via another platform, you’re gonna go into paid advertising as well?

Neil Patel:

Correct. So, we’ll start going into paid advertising and email marketing. Like, I wanna release a better version of Mailchimp, but free, unlimited contacts, unlimited sends.

Itamar Shafir:

Wow, when is that coming?

Neil Patel:

We haven’t really fully built it yet, that’s a while from now. But that’s my dream.

Itamar Shafir:

Are you gonna let, uh, the public invest in you? Maybe tokenize it? I heard, uh-

Neil Patel:

No.

Itamar Shafir:

… I heard your podcast, um, uh, your last podcast about, uh, NFTs.

Neil Patel:

Ye- well, for me, it’s not about tokenizing or selling it, it’s just, it’s a passion. I’m doing what I wanna do. It’s not about making money, it’s about helping businesses of all sizes grow and do better.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay. But it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a big lift. It, it, it, it, it does require, probably, a lot of funding, right. And, but you’re saying-

Neil Patel:

It does, but I have other businesses that do well, and then I can use the money, and then reinvest it. You know, I don’t need a fancy car, I have a nice Honda Odyssey, you know (laughs). That’s, like, instead of buying a bigger house or a faster car, I can use it to help more businesses.

Itamar Shafir:

You know, it’s, it’s like, it’s like a Dickens novel. You’re like a character starting out as a kid, wanting to make more money, ending up as a grown person, taking all your money, doing things for others, driving a, a, a Honda. Uh, there is some sort of cycle here of growth, I thi- I don’t if it’s growth, but it’s definitely change, right. What, what, uh, what happened? Is it, is it basically that you got comfortable? Or was it always on your mind and you were just waiting to have enough to do it?

Neil Patel:

Correct. I’ve always had it on my mind, I just didn’t have enough resources, time, and money to do it. And now I do, so now I wanna do it. It’s just a passion, right. It’s just, like, sometimes [crosstalk 00:19:22]-

Itamar Shafir:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Neil Patel:

… things ’cause you’re passionate about it. I’m, I’ve always been passionate about marketing, always wanted to create software and solutions that help companies of all sizes. And I wanna create solutions that work for people and companies, no matter where they are in the world and what their currency is, and even if they don’t have any money.

Itamar Shafir:

Wow, that’s-

Neil Patel:

‘Cause the demand-

Itamar Shafir:

… very nice.

Neil Patel:

… is there, right. It’s just, everything’s too expensive, and why does it have to be expensive? Why does-

Itamar Shafir:

Good for you.

Neil Patel:

… it have to be complicated?

Itamar Shafir:

Yeah. The, the- these are great questions. Um, very hard to find answers for them. No, you ca- we can find answers for them. You’re, what you’re doing actually provides the answer. Um, and it’s like, five hours of philosophy, uh, we go in to. Uh, but I wanted to ask you, because I know we have five more minutes, you say, on your website, that your agency is different than others because you focus on communication and collaboration, which enables you to move quickly and pivot at the moment notice. Okay. And I, I wanted to ask for an example for that, because maybe the listeners, maybe they can’t do exactly the same thing, but maybe they can integrate into what they’re doing, a little bit of that approach.

Neil Patel:

Yeah. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll give you a great example of this. A lot of people do paid advertising management, it’s one of the biggest things in agencies, right. Help people manage their ads and you take a small percentage of this spend. And, uh, in themes, right, as a agency. You know, a lot of times, we don’t actually see competitors talking enough with their customers. You know, let’s say, if someone’s selling a high ticket item and it takes a lot for a conversion and you’re getting a lot of clicks look, for people looking at, let’s say, $1 million piece of jewelry.

Neil Patel:

Well, if they’re looking at a $1 million piece of jewelry and you’re getting a lot of lookyloos, and you’re talking to, and you’re running promotions, and you talk to the owner and the owner is like, yeah, we’ve done this before, it, it doesn’t work as well, right away, you can go in and you can adjust and turn it off.

Neil Patel:

Or, let’s say, if they’re not using automation, uh, in some of the bid management tools and they’re doing a lot of things manually, and they’re like, hey, we did automations before and it didn’t work, you can take that and instead of just saying, hey, we’re not gonna use it and we’re gonna turn it off, you can go dive into the old campaigns and try to figure out why it didn’t work, and then go and run a few different experiments and try to get the results even better, right. So, it’s-

Itamar Shafir:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Neil Patel:

… just the communication that allows to adjust in realtime. We had a, there was a promotion, um, let’s say, during Black Friday and there was a companies that, there was a company literally, you know, a week before that said, hey, we think we’re gonna have supply chain issues. Well, like, no worries, you know what we’re gonna do, instead of running a Black Friday promotion, we’re gonna drag it on for, like, a week and, or two weeks, and we’re gonna start the promotion a little bit before to help out with the supply chain, and we’re gonna keep the promotion going a little bit after as well. And the results were amazing. But, and so, it’s figuring out creative solutions when things aren’t necessarily the way that anyone planned.

Itamar Shafir:

And for that, you need very, very good communication with the client. That’s, that’s, yeah-

Neil Patel:

Very good.

Itamar Shafir:

… otherwise, you wouldn’t have [crosstalk 00:22:33] known about the supply issue. Yeah.

Neil Patel:

Yeah, you can have the best marketers in the world on your campaign, but if they don’t communicate and you’re not working together, it’s just not gonna work as well.

Itamar Shafir:

I think, I think that’s, uh, an excellent point. I think it also gives you, that communication also gives you the ability to create better strategies and also on a egotistical level, maybe also brings you and the client closer together, which is also important. Uh, so I, I, I think that’s a great point. Uh, our last segment that we do on every podcast is a rapid Q and A. [crosstalk 00:23:10] questions are in no way edgy, but if you feel uncomfortable about any of them, just say pass.

Neil Patel:

No, no.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay.

Neil Patel:

No, ask away.

Itamar Shafir:

(Laughs) uh, they’re not, they’re not, they’re, they’re very, very soft. Uh, did you get along with your parents growing up?

Neil Patel:

Yes.

Itamar Shafir:

Do you have siblings?

Neil Patel:

Yes, one-

Itamar Shafir:

Do you have-

Neil Patel:

… sister.

Itamar Shafir:

… a pet? One sister.

Neil Patel:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). No pets.

Itamar Shafir:

You, no pets. Do you have kids?

Neil Patel:

Two kids.

Itamar Shafir:

How old were you when your first kid was born?

Neil Patel:

W- I was 34.

Itamar Shafir:

When do you wake up?

Neil Patel:

Anywhere between 4:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m., at the latest.

Itamar Shafir:

When do you go to bed?

Neil Patel:

Anywhere between 8:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m., at the latest.

Itamar Shafir:

Ideal vacation?

Neil Patel:

Staying at home and watching TV and relaxing with the family.

Itamar Shafir:

Nice.

Neil Patel:

I’ve traveled too much in my life.

Itamar Shafir:

Are you a man of faith?

Neil Patel:

Um, in between. Not too much, you know. I have nothing against it or anything like that, I just, I’m in between, I would say.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay. So, you, you believe, but, uh, you’re not practicing, kinda that thing?

Neil Patel:

Yeah.

Itamar Shafir:

Okay. Uh, great. Excellent, Neil. Thank you very, very much for all the information that you provided to the listeners today. Thank you for your advice, uh, I really appreciate it. Guys, all the listeners, go check out Uber Suggest, uh, check out Neil’s website. Uh, it’s NeilPatel.com, right?

Neil Patel:

Yeah.

Itamar Shafir:

And Neil Patel Podcast. Uh, excellent information. I’m sure everybody o- listening to us now already know of you, but those who haven’t, guys, you’ve got to. Um, this man has a lot of experience and a lot of excellent resources and advice. And, uh, definitely, uh, go ahead and read and listen to everything that he has to say. Thank you, Neil.

Neil Patel:

Yeah, thanks for having me. Awesome.

 

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